In eternity, where there is no time, nothing can grow. Nothing can become. Nothing changes. So death created time to grow the things that it would kill…
It’s like the party just has an abstract attraction to releasing dark evils onto the world.
It is the D&D mechanics that push them to murder hobo.
Wastin’ away again in Maraville?
Thought, if Berg is banished then he should be sent to Heaven.
Adam I need you to know you literally stole a nightmare out of my head right down to the weird painting with this greyscale backwards world.
When the priest was praying for forgiveness after realizing what was being done, it occurred to me to wonder, is it possible for heaven/fate to intend for someone to do something that aids the Mara? Is fate dictated by heaven or simply judged by heaven?
The question of how it is possible for God to be good and loving and at the same time also predestine some people for eternal damnation in Hell has been a question debated by Christian theologians for centuries. It is the ultimate proof of the hypocrisy of the Jedi.
Haha, I know, but I mean specifically in-universe for CoS cosmology. We know that good/bad is more a matter of obeying one’s fate or rejecting it. I’m wondering whether in apologizing for what they’d done, the priest might have been rejecting the path chosen for them by fate.
Since the Mara are defined as trying to tempt people away from following their Fate, I think it is untenable to believe that anyone’s Fate is to follow the Mara. In fact, clearly Heaven doesn’t know how to deal with contrarians, cause if they wanted the Mara to stop harassing people, they would make it everyone’s Fate to aid the Mara.
I can buy that, but it presupposes that Heaven defines fate, which is one of the things I asked about. I feel like that question has probably been answered before, but I haven’t the slightest idea of where to look for the answer. I’m wondering whether fate is a product of the Fountain, or of its vestigial organization, Heaven. Does Heaven create fate, or does it interpret it?
I’m still not entirely clear on whether the Mara stand in opposition to Heaven or to the fountain itself. I know they wish to destroy the fountain, but I’m not sure whether that’s their core position - to destroy the fountain out of vengeance or something like that - or just the apotheosis of their desire to destroy the order of things (i.e., chaos).
We know that the Mara didn’t exist before Heaven was founded, so the Mara stand in opposition to Heaven, but their goal is to corrupt the Fountain. Because the cycle of reincarnation is also something invented by Heaven, I think we can be pretty certain that Fate also didn’t exist before Heaven.
Whether Heaven directly controls it or not, I don’t think that affects the logical inconsistency that would be caused if someone’s Fate was to deny Fate. That’s mighty close to a Barber Paradox. It’s like saying, “This statement is false.” You can’t assign a truth value to it.
I guess that’s a fair point, heh.
I guess it’s kind of my question whether fate exists in a superposition of possibilities before it is realized; if it is Berg’s fate to go to wherever the party is, was it the priest’s fate to do what they did to get him there, or did it become his fate only after the priest took the action they took?
I guess that depends on whether you believe that Quantum Soul Theory contains hidden variables, but that would force you to allow non-local interactions, and that’s ludicrous! I prefer to believe that the world divides in two every time the dice are rolled.
@adamkoebel At the end of the session you mentioned this curveball may require some additional prep before the next session. Does this mean we might be getting a prep stream later this week?
So Ramus was born of the void right? Hes one of the unfortunates? My best guess is that they are in the voidrealm (note: not the void itself, but a world owned by the void) which is why people born of the void are so unlucky, because they dont belong in the normal world, they belong in the void world our PCs are now in, and now Ramus is home
I think Ramus is Fire actually. If I remember correctly the void born are Janus and maybe Yotta.
Ramus doesn’t have an alignment. He lost it when he lost his soul, and the new soul doesn’t have an alignment. Janus and Yotta are void.
Ah of course. He used to be fire.
Anyway, to continue on Space_Waffles’ post I believe it’s the Mara realm and his artificial Mara soul is resonating with it.
I think they are in the 5th court. The Court of the Void. Whether that’s where the Mara come from or something else’s entirely or somewhere the Mara just happen to have taken over I don’t know.