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[FAR VERONA // E03 Q&A] Hong Lu Welcoming Committee


(AdamKoebel) #30

Drawing on Hong Lu and the work y’all did was super fun - that’s sort of my intent, to take what was created and then embellish, highlight and show off.

(AdamKoebel) #31

they’re perfectly on brand!

(AdamKoebel) #32

I think we’ll learn not so much that WHAT but the WHY of Booker’s disillusionment. That’s what’s super interesting to me. Who hurt you, Bookie?

(AdamKoebel) #33

Nope! Djikstra isn’t the only big guy on Hong Lu :wink:

(AdamKoebel) #34

This is a thing - they’re outside Imperial Space, really, on a lawless world where things are rough and not always easy or kind. There’s gonna be some negative stuff from NPCs in the game as we go through, and if it’s in-fiction I hope people realize that it’s part of the world.

As far as Booker going in on Yancy, yeah, I mean, we could definitely see that as violating his personal space. I don’t think of it as being universally a positive thing. The other officers saw and will remember that it happened.

I’m not sure I remember there being any fat phobic language from anyone playing the game, but I’m always down for feedback!

(Alantor6616) #35

Ok thanks it was just the resemblance was uncanny

(AdamKoebel) #36

I think you know me, and that there’s probably more to Yancy than just “he’s an entitled asshole”

(genie_gm) #37

The problem to me is that there is a a combination of NPCs/Characters being shitty people, and their shitty behaviour not being addressed or specifically pointed to as being shitty. It is also an issue of fans jumping on content and spinning off on it in unhealthy ways - people making the shower scene into a sex thing is a perfect example of that.

The fatphobic comment was early on, Bronze said something to the effect of “getting ]Yancy’s] fat ass”, which, again, I’d be A-OK with if it was a comment clearly made in character - because characters can be A-holes - but it’s uncomfortable and can be triggering when it comes from a player directly.

(AdamKoebel) #38

Yeah, I totally feel that, and it’s hard three episodes on showing the negative consequences of people’s behaviour and attitudes in a world we’re really only getting started building in this space. I’m going to continue to endeavour to show that like, the world has a moral outlook and like, that’s fictional.

I dunno, it’s a whole thing, and takes time and work, and I just wanted to call out specifically that I hear you and I’m always always open to this stuff, either out in a space like this or directly. I suspect the cast feel the same way.

(genie_gm) #39

Mmh, I know that you are a conscientious person, and that your content is always both aware of and critical towards harmful social constructs. I think the rub is (to me, and to many of the other watchers who may be your fans first, and Roleplay fans second) that there are several people on the cast - and several thousand people among the viewers and Patrons in the Factions - with whom we’re not familiar yet, and we can’t be sure their moral compass isn’t wildly different.

I hope (and think) that this will shake down eventually, and the show will be the aware and critical content you always lead others in, it’s just that it’s going to feel a bit bumpy to start with. And for some, that “little bumpy” might be too much for them to be able to keep watching.

As always, I’m very happy that you talk to fans like this.

(AdamKoebel) #40

New shows are often a learning process for everyone in the first few episodes, and that includes learning how the cast operates, learning how we interact with each other and the fiction that arises from it. I hear you, and I appreciate the feedback.

(VyRe40) #41

RPGs like this and D&D are in an interesting space in part because of the violence inherent in the DNA of the game. Far Verona definitely appears to have started out deliberately with that moral ambiguity as a cornerstone of the setting, with stuff like a NPC threatening a character with murder because his status affords him that right and complete protection from retaliation, and then the players themselves operating as a police force that goes around enforcing the will of the system they serve (summary execution effectively) upon seemingly sentient beings that are nearly identical to humans.

There are many levels of violation in games like these, though I don’t feel that some of these moments were intended to come off as “objectively” righteous on the part of the players. As with action media like movies and games, there is a certain degree of cheering and sympathy on the part of the audience, but there is a conscious divide there between how we would act and perceive such things occurring in reality (adventuring murder hobos, overbearing fascist cops, etc.).

It’s a very interesting conversation to have.

(apepi) #42

I love Booker’s “Fuck it” bring Yancy along attitude.

(jduats) #43

This was the first thing I thought when Holtzmann’s friendly relationship with Jaycen was established! He’s totally going to get Connor Wu’d and I’m going to be really sad.

(tabletopweekly) #44

Pls don’t let Adam kill my nice friend. :frowning: Jaycen needs other summer children to hang out with.

(d098s) #45

I really hope there are some consequences coming soon. The way the PC’s are behaving its like they are in court of swords and not far verona. Bookers invasion off privacy, assaulting a officer in the shower, disciplining Yancey in front of the other officers, laughing while some one on his team that he is responsible for get’s a beating and a broken nose while not even caring why or what’s happening.

Rieley is breaking rules and lore all over the place and laughing about it. Is she suppose to be a acre serf? Stroles through the armory which should be the most secure place on the ship completely Un monitored and unrestricted. Breaks into a nobles locker on camera, disrespect’s nobles and tells the team and it’s leader she’s tring to buy drugs while on the job and is actively trying to get a noble killed.

The only person that seems to have anything close to consequences for their actions is Yancey because the PC’s have desided that this npc suffering is funny so Adams playing up how unlikable he is suppose to be.

I dunno man. I know it’s only 3 episodes in but it’s been off putting.

(Might be Captain Marvel) #46

I really want to live in this imagined utopia where no one breaks any rules.
This is like the real world where people do break rules, they are not perfect, and it is the imperfections that make the characters interesting.

That is my opinion.

(Blisz_) #47

Have you watched alot of the prep Adam did for the show?

(Rinion87) #48

The comments about the shower and “fat-phobic” comments are just people getting too offended I think, especially in context of calling a probably super ripped army dude a fatass!

From an in-universe thing, the shower incident was certainly awkward, but its the locker room shower which presumably Starship Troopers style is open and accosting someone there in an official situation is different in ‘social context’ that an actual “invasion of privacy” or whatever.

I do think however, that given the Lore and background and what i think people were expecting, it seems like some of the cast are playing ‘Swan Song’ rather than ‘Far Verona’ if you know what i mean?

(Goa_gubben) #49

How would a thing like that be addressed in a reasonable manner, considering where the characters are and who they are? Does it really need to be? I’m also not sure about what to do about fans doing things that you don’t approve of, not sure if it’s Adams role to address that sort of thing.